In today’s episode we talk with Deb Gordon, author of “The Health Care Consumer’s Manifesto.” Deb is a former health plan executive, an Aspen Institute Health Innovators Fellow, and a former Senior Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School. In this episode, we discussed Deb’s travels to Australia, New Zealand, and Singapore to explore the role of consumers in high-performing health systems, and how those learnings can make healthcare consumerism a reality in America.